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[Joe Bloe]

Cameron’s “Monumental,” hitting theaters next month, mourns a nation in decline and looks to the past for a brighter future. The actor turned activist told CPAC attendees why he made the film:

As I look around I get this sinking feeling that we’re off track, that there’s something sick in the soul of our country,” Cameron told those gathered at the conservative conference in Washington on Thursday. “I examine the fruit that’s hanging on the tree of America and I can see that it’s rotting. And that concerns me deeply.”

The actor went on to list what worries him most: the economy, decreased spirituality and what he sees as a nationwide moral decline.

“The family is falling apart. Divorce is at an all-time high,” he said. “Teenage pregnancy, drugs, alcohol – things that used to be shameful 50 years are now normalized in public school and celebrated on television.

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Cameron regards the 1960's as the "good old days" but he's looking back through rose colored glasses:

Like Cameron today, the conservatives of fifty years ago were similarly incapable of handling the changes in their society. These are a few of the things they were observing in those days:

• the sexual revolution
• hippies
• turn on tune in drop out
• LSD
• sit ins
• be ins
• happenings
• God is dead
• President Kennedy advises all "prudent families" to have a bomb shelter.
• The Vietnam War officially begins
• Cuban Missile Crisis - threat of nuclear war
• President Kennedy is assasinated
• Watts ghetto riot

And their reactions were the same as Cameron's:

• they had a sinking feeling
• they felt the country had gone off track
• there was something sick in the soul of their country
• the fruit that's hanging on the tree of America is rotting
• they were deeply concerned
• there was decreased spirituality
• and a nationwide moral decline
• the family was falling apart
• things that used to be shameful 50 years earlier are now normalized

The conservatives in every generation always have the same reaction to whatever is currently happening - they pine for the "good old days". It's a knee-jerk reaction based solely upon emotion and not even slightly reinforced by facts and figures.

[Great Ape]

Cameron regards the 1960's as the "good old days" but he's looking back through rose colored glasses:

The conservatives in every generation always have the same reaction to whatever is currently happening - they pine for the "good old days". It's a knee-jerk reaction based solely upon emotion and not even slightly reinforced by facts and figures.

I agree, instead of being nostalgic for the good ole days, they should be fixing today's problems. You don't fix the problems of today by invoking the past. New problems require new solutions. America may well be in economic and political decline. Or it may prove to be made of sterner stuff and continue to be the world's only superpower. Time will tell. But I don't think America is in moral decline. I have hope for America and the rest of the world. I still think humanity's future is bright. Hey, call me an eternal optimist.

[Natsel]

"Like Cameron today, the conservatives of fifty years ago were similarly incapable of handling the changes in their society."

Well said, Joe.

Like the other conservatives at CPAC, otherwise known as the gathering of the Jeebus followers, Cameron doesn't get it. He is not a conservative, he is a "regressive," as in the opposite of progressive.

Conservatives have long opposed efforts to create a more fair and just society in the US, one in which lower and middle income Americans have better access to educational and economic opportunities and to quality healthcare. There are numerous examples of conservative obstructionism in US history.

Conservatives fought passage of Medicare and Medicaid and continue to oppose any reforms to our broken healthcare system. They have consistently fought government programs to enable lower and middle income students to attend college. They voted against the SCHIP program which provides healthcare to children of poor families. They fought against and continue to oppose laws designed to protect both the environment and humans from automotive and industrial pollutants. Specifically, they voted against water quality standards and limits on greenhouse gas and auto emissions. They have opposed measures to confront discrimination based on race, sexual orientation, gender and economic status. Going further back in history, they fought against the abolition of slavery. They fought against women’s suffrage. They opposed civil rights legislation. They fought against automobile safety standards such as seat belts and air bags. They fought against social security. They fought against laws to abolish child labor and establish minimum standards to protect workers. They fought against and continue to oppose workers’ rights to union membership.

In this country, the above "values" are best represented by the Tea Bagger Party in Congress. Even among men lacking all integrity, Tea Baggers stand out as men lacking more integrity than all others.

[Ungodly]

things that used to be shameful 50 years are now normalized in public school and celebrated on television.

For example flaunting your devotion to ignorance and superstition in public. Why I remember, back in the good old days, when them there Christian folk just kept it to themselves.

If they want to promote bigotry and intolerance in the privacy of their own bedrooms that's their business, but once you start trying to take over the culture some other folk might say they disagree. Then of course they will claim somebody is interfering with their religious freedom.

[Great Ape]

Good points Natsel and well said.

[Joe Bloe]

They fought against laws to abolish child labor and establish minimum standards to protect workers.

When I read this part of your post, I was reminded of a video about child labor in the early 20th century. It has some very poignant photographs of children in the workshops and coal mines. (The first two minutes are silent)





In case you are wondering what happened when you quoted my earlier post and didn't get the "green box" ... When you edited my post you also deleted the [ / quote ] which marks the end of the quotation. I fixed it for you.


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Like Cameron today, the conservatives of fifty years ago were similarly incapable of handling the changes in their society.

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[Natsel]

Thanks, Joe. One of these days I'll get it right.

An excellent video. Very informative, and sobering when you consider how many children lost not only their childhoods, as the video points out, but their adulthoods as well due to workplace accidents and unhealthy environments such as mines and industrial plants.

Edited by Natsel, 10 February 2012 - 04:16 PM.

[Joe Bloe]

More news about Cameron pushing his film:

"Growing Pains" star and born-again Christian Kirk Cameron made news for not only what he said at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Thursday, but also for what he did off stage.

Cameron, who was there to speak about his new documentary "Monumental: In Search of America's National Treasure," was reported to have a strict rule of not taking photos with a woman alone. The actor and Christian evangelist was being interviewed by Washington Examiner's political gossip columnist Nikki Schwab when TWT's opinion editor Emily Miller tried to take a photo of Cameron talking to Schwab, according to Mediabistro.

But one of Cameron's people reportedly quickly pushed Miller to prevent the photo (she has a blurry photo instead).

His people reportedly told Miller that "He can't be photographed alone with a woman."

http://www.christian...ale-rule-69218/

Well I don't blame him for taking those precautions. According to some biblical interpretations, if one of those uppity women gave him a stiffy, he'd have to cut his cock off !

[Ungodly]

Maybe Kirk just wants to keep his options open vis a vis joining the priesthood?

[nogodbutdog]

His people reportedly told Miller that "He can't be photographed alone with a woman."

That's a good start, but it just doesn't go far enough. Or have they learned nothing from the whole Ted Haggerty episode?

[Ungodly]

That's a good start, but it just doesn't go far enough. Or have they learned nothing from the whole Ted Haggerty episode?

Good thinking. Maybe Kirk Cameron should never be seen in the same room as any other person? This would protect Kirk from lawsuits in which women claim he fondled them as well as protecting him from claims made by men that he came on to them sexually. I'm not suggesting he does these things, just that keeping him away from other people would reduce the risk he might be falsely accused.

Of course there are some people who seek to cheat and defraud by taking other people's words and twisting them, using them out of context, and otherwise using what a person has actually said against them. Poor Kirk if somebody decided to edit one of his YouTube vids and make it seem he believed in reality, or was capable of rational thought. This, of course, would discredit him completely in the Jesus industry, leading to a reduction in income, that eventually would force him to peddle his body on certain streets in large cities. Of course nobody wants to see Kirk Cameron forced into male prostitution because somebody twisted his words, so we suggest this approach:

• Remove or get the uploaders to remove all YouTube videos featuring Kirk
• Buy up and destroy all those dreadful old situation comedy episodes he was in when he was a hot, sexy gay teen
• Persuade Kirk never to appear or speak in public, on the radio, on TV, or anywhere else in order to protect him from litigation

[Cousin Ricky]

His people reportedly told Miller that "He can't be photographed alone with a woman."

No, if he's going to be with a woman, it must be in secret with no cameras around.

Well I don't blame him for taking those precautions. According to some biblical interpretations, if one of those uppity women gave him a stiffy, he'd have to cut his cock off !

But why should he care about about that, if he's not allowed to use it anyway? (I know of one sect that requires it as a magic wand for turning bread and wine into Jesus, but he doesn't belong to that sect.)