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[Ungodly]

I reserve comment until later in this topic, except to say I recommend this video:


http://www.youtube.c...?v=s2yIaNSFBBw#!

[Cousin Ricky]

Pastor Haynes seems to understand separation of church and state:

• Obama swore to uphold the constitution of the USA, not the Buybull.
• Obama is the president of the USA, not the pastor.
• Churches will not lose their 501(c)(3) tax exemptions for practicing their bigotry.

He also recognizes anti-gay bigotry as bigotry.

On the other hand, he makes a big deal over state matters (as opposed to federal matters) without stressing the separation of church and state, so it is not clear from his preaching that even if a state recognizes gay marriage, the state will not force churches to recognize them. This is a matter that too many Christians don't understand: the government allowing other people not to practice your religion does not prevent you from practicing your religion.

He is also on shaky biblical ground. True, Jesus said nary a word about homosexuality. But Leviticus specifically condemns gay male sex, and St. Paul was rabidly homophobic.

[Joe Bloe]

I don't think that sermon will make it into the church archives.

[Great Ape]

It's nice to see a Christian Pastor standing up for same sex marriage and President Obama.

While many Christian leaders had harsh words after President Obama came out in support of gay marriage, Pastor Frederick Haynes III supported him. Cenk Uygur and Ben Mankiewicz discuss on The Young Turks.

[Ungodly]

Cenk got the take away point correct: in this case the pastor was leading, which is his job.

I hope this man's wisdom reaches a wide audience, there are many who could benefit from hearing him speak.

I like the beat, I love the lyrics, how can anybody sit still? I give it a 99.9

[Great Ape]

I hope this man's wisdom reaches a wide audience, there are many who could benefit from hearing him speak.

After reading this article in the Washington Times, you're right, many could benefit from hearing him speak. It's a shame, Pastor Frederick Haynes III views, aren't representative of The Coalition of African American Pastors. Pastor Haynes has a thing or two to teach them. Shame on them!

Black pastors demand meeting with Obama over gay marriage

The Washington Times | June 1, 2012

The Coalition of African American Pastors has demanded a meeting with President Obama to try to change his mind on his personal embrace of same-sex marriage.

The pastors fired off a letter this week to Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. asking him to set up the meeting with the president, and painted their quest as a civil rights cause.

"I can promise you personally, as an organizer of the civil rights movement in Nashville, I did not march one inch, one foot, one yard for same-sex marriage," said Rev. William "Bill" Owens Sr., founder of the coalition and organizer of the letter.

While saying they are proud of Mr. Obama's success and calling him the "fulfillment of our dreams for our sons," Mr. Owens and the 19 other religious leaders who signed his letter said the president's evolution to embrace same-sex marriage "has broken our hearts by using his power and position to endorse as a civil right something that is simply wrong."

Pollsters have wondered how Mr. Obama's decision to embrace same-sex marriage would play with various segments of voters, and in particular with black church-going Christians, who generally tell pollsters they support the president but many of whom are also opposed to gay marriage.

"Some things are bigger than the next election," the pastors said in their letter.

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