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Dawkins certainly isn't deluded by God

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Dawkins seems to be trying to do what Voltaire did back in his time.  I haven't gotten ahold of the book yet, but according to the New York Times review, Dawkins doesn't exactly go into as much detail as he could have in exploring the logical flaws of the classic arguments for God.  I'll have to check it out when I have a chance.

In the meantime here are a couple of links debunking arguments for God:

Fairly in depth and manages to be funny:
http://www.mwillett....ism/classic.htm

Dan Barker's criticism of the kalam argument:
http://www.infidels....r/kalamity.html

^While I was searching for the latter, I came across a half-assed Christian rebuttal to Barker's essay.  See if you can spot the errors in it.  I swear this professor Guthrie guy is none too bright, judging from the content of his website. :roll:
http://sguthrie.net/...er_response.htm

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I read some of that, but it was a bit too complicated for a Sunday night. It seems to me that theists have got themselves into a bit of a bind. Once upon a time it was fairly simple to perceive a "god" who was both a creator of all things, and a personal "god" who interacted with humans.

But then something awkward happened. The amount of stuff this "god" was supposed to have created got vaster and vaster, and further back in time - if this "god" also personally created humans, one is entitled to ask WTF he waited 15 billion years, and why he bothered to create so much surplus universe. They're left with a struggle to reunite the two concepts, and end up talking guff about "god" being "outside of time." And as Barker points out, that doesn't gel with the idea of him/her/it/them creating a natural universe that has a beginning and a temporal dimension.

That's enough. My brain 'urts.
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Maybe it sounds so complicated is because it is a bunch of Ca Ca. :snork_lach: :snork_lach:

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The amount of stuff this "god" was supposed to have created got vaster and vaster, and further back in time - if this "god" also personally created humans, one is entitled to ask WTF he waited 15 billion years, and why he bothered to create so much surplus universe.


That's assuming you're vain enough to think that homo sapiens is the whole point of the universe. Something that I'd certainly quibble!

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Well, mainstream Christianity is certainly founded around the ideas that God looks, acts, and thinks like a human, had a human son solely for the sake of humans, and works in accordance with the needs and desires of humans.

For all we know, life on earth could be like the lichen growing on a rock in someone's back yard.

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Give us a little credit. Not Lichen. An ant farm yes but LICHEN? I don't think so! :snork_lach:

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My copy of The God Delusion and Letter to a Christian Nation arrived today!

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Wasn't that book suppose to be for your girlfriends birthday AM?


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