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Condolences to EU Citizens And Soon to be Former Euranians

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I wish African nations would do something like that for the common good of their citizens.  I think the EU has benefitted the people of Europe, lifting them up financially and socially.  There is a great deal of room for improvement in the economies of Africa, promoting commerce generally promotes peace and creates opportunities.


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The [UK’s] Supreme Court judges voted eight to three against the government, upholding a November High Court decision...
http://edition.cnn.c...ling/index.html
Although Article 50 doesn’t require the devolved institutions’ concent it does increase the likelihood of another referendum of Scottish independence, as well as a more likely UKexit (Scoxit) vote.

NI politicians are calling for ‘special status’ to protect the Good Friday Agreement and NI’s independence from Westminster and Dublin. Back in June last year:

Quote BBC: The Northern Ireland Secretary said EU rules do not permit part of a country remaining within the European Union.

She was speaking ahead of a British Irish meeting to discuss the political way ahead after the referendum result.

"The EU rules are very clear - membership is at member state level, it's a national question," she said. Unquote.
The latest though...

Quote Irish Times: The new leader of Sinn Féin at Stormont has called on the Government in Dublin to “step up to the plate” and secure special status for Northern Ireland within the EU once the UK leaves.

Michelle O’Neill said the UK Supreme Court’s ruling that the move to leave the union had to be passed by parliament ignored the will of the people of the North.

The court also concluded the devolved assembly would not have to be consulted when parliament votes on triggering EU exit negotiations by the end of March.

However, Ms O’Neill called on the Government to act despite the court’s ruling that Northern Ireland had no special status.
http://www.irishtime...tatus-1.2949389

If NI can have “Special status” and a land border without controls with the EU, why not Scotland? Presumably not because there were no ‘troubles’ in Scotland and no Scots have been violent.

It appears that I won’t be allowed to keep my EU citizenship after Brexit and, to be clear, Brexit is due to occur two years after Article 50 (Lisbon Treaty) has been initiated.
https://en.wikipedia..._European_Union

 

Got the lingo now?
Grexit – Greek exiting the Euro (or EU).
Brexit – Britain leaving the EU and EEA (Note: The EU referendum vote didn’t mention leaving the 
European Economic Area, but this UKGov’s opinion is that they have a mandate to do so as “Brexit means Brexit”).
Regrexit – regrets about voting for Brexit.
(You get the idea).



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Got the lingo now?
Grexit – Greek exiting the Euro (or EU).
Brexit – Britain leaving the EU and EEA (Note: The EU referendum vote didn’t mention leaving the 
European Economic Area, but this UKGov’s opinion is that they have a mandate to do so as “Brexit means Brexit”).
Regrexit – regrets about voting for Brexit.
(You get the idea).


A sort of ExitGate.
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I like the EU national anthem, Ode to Joy...
http://www.mirror.co...singing-9782825
I thought the Speaker handled the protest very well. It didn't look like that on Euronews this morning. They depicted the scene but cut the broadcast sharply with the assertive shout the speaker gave to stop the singing. Euronews didn't broadcast his explanation for stopping the protest. Media can be very influential in how they broadcast "the" truth, or what they see as the truth.
 

64% of Scotland's trade is with other UK regions but there is a feeling that "this (EU exit) will not stand". The possibility of another referendum on political independence is real but Scots will probably look to their pockets and self-interest before nationalistic or European ideals.



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Media can be very influential in how they broadcast "the" truth, or what they see as the truth.

 

Original: Freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns the presses

Current: Freedom of speech belongs to the man who owns the webserver*

 

There is also the subtle fact that the owners of various media decide which stories to run.

 

* why I have webservers


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There are a number of versions of the song, but I had this one in mind...
https://www.youtube....h?v=ixBRuGYBdDY

Music can be used politically too. Didn't work too well for Trump :-)



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The 'domino effect' from Brexit doesn't seem to be materializing judging by the Netherlands election results...
https://www.yahoo.co...-224400368.html
I have been disappointed in Rutte's response to Erdogan's rhetoric and disappointed too by Merkel's repeat of the "unity in diversity" nonsense. Leadership like that by mainstream politicians is leaving room for the separatists. We'll see what the French (23Apr17) and German elections (24Sep17) bring this year. 

British Unionists have our own problems. Nicola Sturgeon, Leader of the Scottish National Party and First Minister in the Scottish Parliament, intends an "Indy2" but a Neverendum situation won't last forever. The UK union is threatened from several directions. One is that the Irish nationalists and republicans in Northern Ireland have gained ground and it is now conceivable they might win a vote on Unification of Ireland in the not very distant future. Not very long ago (!980s?) Unionists outnumbered Nationalists by about three to one but as long as it is peaceful only the violent seem to really care whether NI is part of the UK or Eire. Perhaps the greatest problem for the British is Scexit (or Scoxit from the UK). 

The EU is insisting there will be a bill to pay when the UK leaves the EU (£48bn?). Before long the English and Welsh (truly united Brits) may take a look at how good a deal Scotland gets from the UK. They may decide it will save them money to vote Scotland out unless the Scottish Neverendum ceases. If the EU proves powerful enough to lumber the UK with debts on leaving, maybe the UK can pass some on to an "independent" Scotland? 

Political "independence" sounds a lot like seperatism and idle nationalism. Economic independence in the modern world is limited and close cooperation and borders that restrict trade as little as possible are important. 

The UKGov intends to press ahead with "100% faith schools". Religion in schools is just another term for segregation.

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From: https://www.nytimes....dence.html?_r=0
Ms. Sturgeon said her preferred time frame for a new vote would be in the autumn of 2018 or the spring of 2019, when the terms of a British exit from the bloc would be clearer. Unquote.
From: 
https://www.theguard...ommission-salty
it was suggested that Britain was likely to be asked to pay about €57bn (£48bn) in instalments over the next six years.

The sum is expected to cover the UK’s share of the cost of projects and programmes it signed up to as part of the 28-nation bloc, as well as pensions for all the EU officials who have served during its 45-year membership. Unquote.



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The EU has had a good effect on the Republic of Ireland, reuniting the island would be an excellent move IMHO.

 

One might hope that as the popularity of religious delusions declines in Ireland the bitterness between Catholics and Protestants would shrivel up and die.  Religion-inspired violence seems to be less likely when a person suffers no such delusions.


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If Scotland leaves the UK, will it still be the “U”K?


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They could call it the Ununited Kingdom.


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The point is economic. How can the islands and peoples of Britain and Ireland create the most common trading area with fewest trade restrictions, most open borders and closely aligned regulation?



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The point is economic. How can the islands and peoples of Britain and Ireland create the most common trading area with fewest trade restrictions, most open borders and closely aligned regulation?

 

By all joining the EU?


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The latest is that Spain appears ready to accept an independent Scotland but warns it could take time for the newly independent state to join the EU. 
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https://fullfact.org...spain-scotland/
http://www.independe...n-a7662531.html

“We don’t want it [Scottish independence] to happen. But if it happens legally and constitutionally, we would not block it. We don’t encourage the breakup of any member states, because we think the future goes in a different direction,” he [Spain's Foreign Minister] told European reporters. Mr Dastis appears to have changed its tone since the Brexit vote. In 2014, he warned Scottish independence would disintegrate the EU but there is now a general sense of compassion from EU leaders for Scotland, which voted to remain in the union at 62 per cent. Unquote.

Some concern exists that the vote may have been affected by outside interference...
http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-39564289
The Economist Magazine published a graph showing the polls indicated Remain would win except for two short periods, One of those included the 23rd June 2016 and the margin was 51.9 to 48.1 percent.



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Is this called Scexit?


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Yes, Post43, but the polls still indicate UK united...

Support for the European Union, which Scotland will aim to join if it leaves the UK, has never been lower.

Support for independence has doubled from 23% in 2012 to 46% in 2016, according to ScotCen's Scottish Attitudes Survey.

Meanwhile 67% of Scottish voters hold Eurosceptic views – saying that Scotland should leave the EU or that the bloc's powers should be reduced – up from 60% from the year before. 

Scotcen interviewed a random probability sample of 1,237 people aged 16 and above between July and December 2016 for the survey... source:
http://uk.businessin...017-3?r=US&IR=T
 



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..Despite a recent whistlestop tour of EU capitals by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, diplomats concluded unanimously that the European commission was right to block any talks about a future comprehensive trade deal until the UK agrees to settle its divorce bill – which some estimate could be as high as €60bn – and comes to a settlement on the rights of EU citizens...
https://www.theguard...eu-crown-jewels

Goldman Sachs and HSBC are reportedly planning to move jobs out of Britain due to Brexit.
 

U.S. banks Morgan Stanley and Citigroup have identified many of the roles that will need to be moved from Britain following its exit from the European Union, sources involved in the processes told Reuters.

Morgan Stanley, which bases the bulk of its European staff in Britain, will have to move up to 1,000 jobs in sales and trading, risk management, legal and compliance, as well as slimming the back office in favor of locations overseas, according to one source.

Citigroup, which already has a large banking unit in Dublin, will need to shift 100 positions in its sales and trading business, sources with knowledge of the matter said. Source:
http://uk.businessin...017-1?r=US&IR=T
 



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This statement implies that many firms understood what would happen if Britain left the EU:

Leading financial firms warned for months before last June's Brexit referendum that they would have to move some jobs if there was a leave vote.

 

 

But this one makes it sound as if Morgan Stanley is playing it by ear because it's not sure how things will finish up:

A spokesman for Morgan Stanley said no decisions had been taken with regard to its Brexit plans.

"Our focus is on ensuring that we can continue to service our clients whatever the Brexit outcome," he said.

 

http://uk.businessin...017-1?r=US&IR=T

 

 

So what is the consensus of opinion I wonder - everything going to plan, or everything going to pot?


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