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New Jersey Among 38 Impending Gubernatorial Elections

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Over the next two years there will be 38 gubernatorial elections, two of which will be taking place this very year: Virginia, and my home state of New Jersey.

 

I'm particularly worried about the race here, because while I'm glad to finally be rid of the fucking fatass Chris Christie, I sure as hell do not want the state to elect another corporate Democrat who will prove to be just as corrupt as Christie.  Here are the current candidates:

https://en.wikipedia...17#Candidates_2

 

The current Democratic frontrunner, Phil Murphy, is a former Goldman Sachs executive.  Isn't this exactly what Jon Corzine was criticized for?  Isn't this exactly what is wrong with a number of Trump's cabinet members?  Isn't this exactly the kind of special interest influence progressives do not want to see in our political system any longer?

 

Sure, the reason he's gotten the most exposure is because he has the most money.  If the state Democrats decide to throw their backing behind Murphy for this reason, because "he can raise the most funds to compete against the Republicans" then they're setting themselves up to lose, just like in the general election last year.  Although I don't see much difference between Republicans and corporate Democrats, and in practice there isn't much difference either.  The establishment Democrats might be 0.4% less corrupt as the saying goes, and they might throw you a bone on civil rights every so often, but they behave almost identically to the Republicans the rest of the time.

 

I've been looking into the two candidates who are trailing Murphy, but I haven't been able to find out much about them.  John Wisniewski was the head of the Bernie Sanders campaign in NJ in 2016 and the only elected official to support Bernie (Hillary would end up winning the state's primary by 2:1) so I at least know where he stands.  Jim Johnson has a decent record on the issues, and my college is running an internship co-op with his campaign, but I don't know much else about him.  I do think either of them would be preferable to Murphy, I'm just not sure who to support.

 

I want the candidate who is the least corrupted by corporate money, since that's the only kind of candidate I can really trust when they make promises to the people.


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Sure, the reason he's gotten the most exposure is because he has the most money.  If the state Democrats decide to throw their backing behind Murphy for this reason, because "he can raise the most funds to compete against the Republicans" then they're setting themselves up to lose, just like in the general election last year.

 

That's all the Democratic leadership has been talking about since the debacle last November. That's all they ever talk about. And they are absolutely clueless that this is the reason the people are pissed off at them. I would go so far as to say that they are willfully ignorant. They fight tooth and nail against anyone who suggests that the party might have better success with ordinary voters if they stopped asking bribes from the very moneyed interests who are screwing ordinary voters.

 

The Justice Democrats are working to change this. The reaction from the party is,“B-but of course, you’re not going to primary the incumbent Democrats, right? You can’t do that!”

They don’t get it. Fuck yeah, we’re going to primary them. Perhaps you have some prospects in New Jersey.


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I would go so far as to say that they are willfully ignorant. 

 

Intentional ignorance is the most difficult to overcome.

 

I wish Bernie would start a new political party.  I think we are way overdue for ditching our current system of choosing the least destructive of two imperialist capitalist warmongers chosen for us by hostile billionaires.


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...I wish Bernie would start a new political party...

Interesting idea. The UK experience isn't promising though.

A 'blind' questionaire was put to British voters asking them where they stood on issues and the LibDems came out very well indeed. Nick Clegg, their leader at the time won two out of three TV debates, again according to 'polls', but third party candidates in two-party, first-past-the-post (FPTP) systems don't succeed. Isn't the only person to try anything new in the USA in recent decades Ross Perot? And didn't he need to be super-rich? Arguably Trump is the 'new blood' chosen by the US electorate and only his money made voters take him seriously. It even overcame his unpopularity.
 

ICM/Guardian poll (United Kingdom, 2017)
CONservative 45% (+1)
LABour 26% (-2)
UKIP (One policy independence party)10% (-1)
LibDems 9% (+1)
GReen: 4% (-1)
Source: http://politicalbetting.com/


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That's all the Democratic leadership has been talking about since the debacle last November. That's all they ever talk about. And they are absolutely clueless that this is the reason the people are pissed off at them. I would go so far as to say that they are willfully ignorant. They fight tooth and nail against anyone who suggests that the party might have better success with ordinary voters if they stopped asking bribes from the very moneyed interests who are screwing ordinary voters.

 

The Justice Democrats are working to change this. The reaction from the party is,“B-but of course, you’re not going to primary the incumbent Democrats, right? You can’t do that!”

They don’t get it. Fuck yeah, we’re going to primary them. Perhaps you have some prospects in New Jersey.

I know about the JD and I posted a link a while ago.  However, I have no idea who they'd be supporting for the NJ Democratic primary.

 

Intentional ignorance is the most difficult to overcome.

 

I wish Bernie would start a new political party.  I think we are way overdue for ditching our current system of choosing the least destructive of two imperialist capitalist warmongers chosen for us by hostile billionaires.

Bernie gave his reasons for deciding not to do that.  It costs way too much time and money to form a third party that actually stands a chance of winning any elections.  In the 2016 general elections, the third party candidates like Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, while they may have been well-intentioned, ended up handing the election to Donald Trump the same way Ralph Nader helped Bush win in 2000.  I could not understand the reasoning behind these voters, because allowing someone who is the diametric opposite of your ideals does nothing to help your cause.  As I've said, it would have been far easier to hammer Clinton into shape over the next 4 years than to spend the next 4 years smashing back the mountains of bullshit to come out of a Trump administration.  No, Clinton was far from progressive, and nowhere near an ideal representative of the Democratic Party base, but she would have at least bought us time to find a suitable replacement.

 

The best option as I see it is a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party.  Any candidates, new or incumbent, who fail the purity test will either have to be hammered into shape or thrown on the scrap heap.


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On the topic of New Jersey politics.

 

When Cory Booker voted against the importation of drugs from Canada, I got angry, so I wrote a polite but firm letter expressing my views and explaining why he was wrong.  However, when I read the opinion article in today's paper written by THIS shit head, I wanted to drive down to his home in East Hanover and punch him in the face repeatedly.
 
 
Though first I think I'd have to dislodge his face from the dick of big pharma.  Anyone got a crowbar?

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A few weeks ago, I found out that my congressman Bill Pascrell was one of 111 Democrats who did NOT support HR676 Medicare For All.  So I wrote him via email asking him to support it.  I never got a response.

 

I found out today that tomorrow, Aprill 24th, he'll be holding a town hall meeting here in my hometown.  I don't know if I want to attend it though.  If I go, I probably won't be able to ask my question.  If I do ask my question, his answer will probably piss me off.

 

New Jersey might be a blue state in name, but we've had a crooked fatass Republican governor for the past 8 years, both Senators are in the pocket of Big Pharma (and one is going on trial for corruption charges) and my own congressman won't support Medicare For All.  So really, what's the damn difference?


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 I don't know if I want to attend it though.  If I go, I probably won't be able to ask my question.  If I do ask my question, his answer will probably piss me off.

 

If there is value in your attending it might be because your questions/comments could push him in the direction of your world view.  Your skepticism about changing his mind sounds well founded, but when a sufficient number of enlightened voters demand justice from a congress critter I think they do notice.   In recent weeks many Rethuglican congress critters have been forced to invent creative lies in order to ignore voter feedback. I like the "they're paid demonstrators" line because it poisons the well so effectively.

 

We are afflicted with a Republican US representative who lives quite nearby.  All of the snail mail he sends us goes directly into the recycle bin.  He is responsible for his lifestyle choice to be a Republican.

 

New Jersey might be a blue state in name, but we've had a crooked fatass Republican governor for the past 8 years, both Senators are in the pocket of Big Pharma (and one is going on trial for corruption charges) and my own congressman won't support Medicare For All.  So really, what's the damn difference?

 

More heads should have rolled further for Bridgegate.  Fortunately for your governor using a private email server is far more scandalous.  I do not like him at all, never have, never will.

 

One of your admittedly corporatist senators is at least an eloquent speaker and a supporter of social justice.

 

Senators should be evaluated on the basis of how much worse it would be if they were from Alabama.


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If there is value in your attending it might be because your questions/comments could push him in the direction of your world view.  Your skepticism about changing his mind sounds well founded, but when a sufficient number of enlightened voters demand justice from a congress critter I think they do notice. 

I just got back from the townhall meeting.  Couldn't stay for the whole thing because it started late.

 

It turns out I didn't have to ask my question because two other people asked it very early on.  The first asked if he would support HR 676.  Pascrell's answer was that he doesn't think it's realistic, because there's no way Medicare for All would pass in the current Congress.  (So he's not going to sponsor it.)  He said he does support a public option, and tried to get that into the ACA.  And he encouraged the voter to keep supporting HR 676.  The problem is that voters themselves can't do anything, only elected representatives in actual positions of power have any influence.

 
The next voter asked the same question, and phrased it the same way I would have.  He asked Pascrell if, in order to offer meaningful opposition to the Republicans and their healthcare proposal, he would be willing to support HR 676.  And he asked for a yes or no response.  Pascrell basically said he's too busy, because congressmen typically deal with 30 different issues every day, and that he has enough to deal with trying to defend the ACA.  He claims that he believes healthcare is a right, not a privilege.  But the DNC chair Tom Perez gave it the same exact lip service.
 
So that's it.  I'm not satisfied with his answer, and I'm not going to cry if the Justice Democrats decide to primary Pascrell out of office.

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The local newspaper had a slightly different take on it, so I'm posting the article if you want a different point of view:

http://www.northjers...tart/100847926/

 

 

 

He said he would not give up on Medicare for all and says that under Trump's plan, thousands of people would be without insurance in New Jersey.

 

I suppose you could interpret his answer that way, but he still failed to give a straight yes or no answer.  His actual response was more complicated than that, as I mentioned above.  He said that it would never pass in the current Congress, and that while he believes that healthcare should be a right, he said he's too busy (his exact words) to sponsor HR 676 and that his top priority right now is protecting the Affordable Care Act.

 

So I'm still hoping that bombarding him with messages and phone calls will sway him.

 

 

ETA: Come to think of it, that article in my local newspaper is quite terrible.  It has the same problems as the rest of the mainstream media.  Notice how the only attendee they quoted was the guy who raised his voice and was disruptive, and who left early.  His was the only name mentioned in the article as well.  The article did not quote any of the actual questions from the other voters, nor did it go into any depth about any of the issues people care about.  The whole story of the article was just the car accident Pascrell got into that delayed the meeting.  So that article is a fucking joke, and is symptomatic of how the media sensationalizes irrelevant details (like the crazy stunts Trump pulls) rather than talking about the issues.


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 So that article is a fucking joke, and is symptomatic of how the media sensationalizes irrelevant details (like the crazy stunts Trump pulls) rather than talking about the issues.


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Pascrell's answer was that he doesn't think it's realistic, because there's no way Medicare for All would pass in the current Congress.  (So he's not going to sponsor it.)

 

Typical weak-ass Democratic response. And they wonder why they can't get anything done.

 

I'm not satisfied with his answer, and I'm not going to cry if the Justice Democrats decide to primary Pascrell out of office.

 

As Cenk says, “Get out the way!”


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Not trying is a nearly perfect guarantee of failure.   One thing is becoming apparent, the peace loving peoples are developing a powerful hankering for single payer health care.  The fact that citizens of nearly every other country can get cancer without losing their home as a consequence is really filtering through.

 

The Rethuglicans are tooling up for another attack on poor people's health care, it will blow up in their greedy fucking faces.

 

They think they can rely on the short memories of voters.  Americans are not going to forget who fucked with their health care.  Our message to Congress is "Well, punks, you feeling lucky today?"


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I should summarize the rest of the questions and answers to give a better context of where he stands.

 

The first was about my hometown being designated a welcoming / sanctuary city.  Pascrell said he supports that, and that he would fight to protect immigrants from deportation if they have not committed a violent crime.  He, like all other Democrats, opposes the border wall.

 

The second asked him first about election reform and made a comment about Trump's tax returns, which is something Pascrell has been leading the charge to force Trump to release.  Then she asked him about HR 676, which was when he gave the response I mentioned above.

 

The third was the aforementioned direct question about HR 676 and asked for a yes or no.

 

The fourth had to do with foreign policy towards N. Korea and preventing a nuclear war.  Pascrell said his oath obliges him to protect US citizens from threats from abroad, but also from within.  He said, similar to other politicians, that he wouldn't take any options off the table when dealing with N. Korea, but specified that he'd prefer to use diplomacy first.

 

The fifth was a Trump supporter who was sitting behind me, and judging from her conversation with the other attendees next to her, bought into all the propaganda.  Previously I'd overheard her claiming that Obama doesn't deserve credit for creating jobs because they're all low end jobs, but since Trump took office, the US has added hundreds of thousands of jobs.  The other voters tried to correct her, by saying the Carrier deal didn't work, but she claimed that Trump saved those Carrier jobs.

When she got up to ask her question, she asked if congressmen are also obligated to participate in the ACA.  Pascrell said that his own benefits as a member of congress are the same as under the ACA.  The voter then asked, where in the world has socialized medicine ever worked, claiming that it has failed in every single country where it's been implemented (typical stupid conservative talking point).  The audience tried to correct her, telling her to get her facts straight.  Pascrell replied that he doesn't want socialized medicine, because he believes in the free market.  He added he does believe healthcare is a right, but said that we could achieve the same results in other ways by making changes to the ACA.

 

The sixth question was about the role and importance of science.  Pascrell said he would protect scientific facts and funding for research.

 

The seventh was from a high school age student who asked about how he could get Trump to release his tax returns.  Pascrell said the law is on our side, but it can't be done without a majority in Congress, so that's the first step, to take back the power.  He then speculated some on what the returns could tell us.

 

The eighth was about parks preservation, pertaining to the nearby Palisades Park.

 

The ninth was about campaign finance reform and anti-corruption.  Pascrell said he opposes Citizens United and is trying to get it repealed, and he believes elections should be publicly funded.

 

The tenth asked if he has any Republican friends, and he talked about the importance of compromise and finding common ground.  He brought up the issue of a woman's right to choose as an example of how hard it can be to find compromise.

 

The eleventh was about immigration, from an immigration lawyer.  Pascrell talked about how the issue has been connected to the drug problem, and how we could deal with the problem of drug addiction more realistically (as opposed to Trump's proposals).

 

The twelfth was a question from a disability advocate, and Pascrell said he would stand up for the rights of the disabled.

 

However, it was late at this time, and I had to leave, so I couldn't stay for the whole thing.

 

My takeaway is that he seems pretty strong on all other issues, but has a functionalist stance on healthcare and isn't willing to go out of his way to show support for universal healthcare.  He doesn't realize that there is a lot of public support for Medicare for All, or that even sponsoring HR 676 as a symbolic gesture would go a long way towards showing solidarity with his constituents and presenting a unified opposition to the Republicans.  So his answers were not satisfactory on this issue.


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The ninth was about campaign finance reform and anti-corruption.  Pascrell said he opposes Citizens United and is trying to get it repealed, and he believes elections should be publicly funded.

 

This would be a deal maker for me, if he actually means it.


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I got a voicemail from Pascrell's office in response to my write-in question, which was the same one about HR 676.  They said that the congressman is not opposed to the measure, but he feels his more immediate priority is to prevent the Republicans from dismantling the ACA.  I suppose this is understandable, given the avalanche of bullshit coming out of the Trump administration on a daily basis.  I still have to wonder though if Pascrell would give a definitive "yes" if the bill did have a realistic chance of passing.


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Well, the governor's race primaries went exactly as expected.  Phil Murphy won the Democratic primary, and Kim Guadagno won the Republican primary.

 

http://abcnews.go.co...ristie-47856176

 

Here's a breakdown of the results.

 

http://www.nj.com/po...imary_2017.html

 

It seems that Phil Murphy's opponents ended up splitting the progressive vote, with Johnson and Wiz each getting 22% of the vote.

 

So the bad news is that the Dems are running a former Goldman Sachs exec, and the Republicans are running someone at the heart of Christie's corruption.

 

However, there is still some good news.

 

First, it turns out that ALL of the Democratic candidates ran on progressive platforms, including Phil Murphy, because he knew it was the only way he'd stand a chance.  Even the corporate Democrats are aware that they have to at least try to sound progressive in order to win.  What this means is that Murphy made those promises in his own words, and he can be held to those words.  It was rather refreshing to see during the debate that all of the Democrats were competing to see who could best uphold the progressive values.  All are for restoring the state workers' (including teachers) pensions that Christie famously gutted.  Johnson ran on his record of civil service, Wiz ran on single-payer and free public college, and Lesniak ran on the environment and animal rights.  So even though none they didn't win, it's a good sign that the field was flooded with choices for progressive voters.

 

Second, because New Jersey is now so fed up with Christie, the state has a strong likelihood of electing a Democratic governor next.  Registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by 800,000, and it's not likely people will want to vote for someone who was one of Christie's personal staff.

 

Third, even though Murphy wasn't the candidate I wanted, there are still ways to work with politicians that were not your first choice.  This topic came up during the last monthly meeting of Our Revolution in my county, where I asked a Lesniak / Zinna supporter how we could make sure someone like Murphy still represents us.  He said that it would depend on who Murphy picks for his cabinet, like if he picks strong environmentalists, or people who support single-payer, then we can communicate through them to put pressure on Murphy to do the right thing.

 

Some media analysts have said that New Jersey's primaries were a missed opportunity, i.e in the aftermath of the 2016 presidential election, the Dems should have run a single candidate who could unite the Hillary and Bernie wings of the party.  However, I've made no secret that I think most mainstream media sources are full of crap because they put a spin on everything to set the narrative they're trying to tell.  It's NOT incumbent on Democratic voters to "fall in line" if there's a candidate they aren't pleased with.  It's incumbent on that candidate to learn how to represent the values and concerns of those Democratic voters.  As I said, it's a good sign that the field was flooded with progressive candidates, and if Murphy has any sense, he'll be on notice that he needs to shape up and keep his promises.


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So the bad news is that the Dems are running a former Goldman Sachs exec, and the Republicans are running someone at the heart of Christie's corruption.

 

In the words of Cenk Uygur, “Say it with me: OF COOOOOURSE!!!”

 

It's NOT incumbent on Democratic voters to "fall in line" if there's a candidate they aren't pleased with.  It's incumbent on that candidate to learn how to represent the values and concerns of those Democratic voters.

 

This is exactly the mistake Hillary made. Unfortunately, Democrats historically have stubbornly refused to learn from their mistakes.


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Here we go again.

 

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Pascrell said he opposes Citizens United and is trying to get it repealed, and he believes elections should be publicly funded.

 

He's inviting the Koch brothers to fund his opponent.  The one thing the ruling class most desperately wants to avoid is the nightmare scenario of a government responsive to the wishes and well being of the citizens.

 

I very much like the idea of not only public funding of campaigns, but also making that exclusive by outlawing any and all financial aid to a candidate from any other sources, including his own personal wealth.

 

I'd also like to see a hard cap on earning by legislators, from all sources.  Any legislator earning more than a set amount would have to forfeit the excess to the general tax fund.


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