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The Catholic hierarchy are copping it in Australia:
 

Adelaide Archbishop Philip Wilson has been put on notice that he could expect a

jail term after he was found guilty on Tuesday of concealing historical child abuse

allegations against another priest.

 

In a landmark decision that could have wide-reaching implications for other high-

ranking clergy members, Magistrate Robert Stone found Archbishop Wilson had

been told by a 15-year-old boy in 1976 that he had been indecently assaulted by

notorious Hunter paedophile priest Father James Fletcher, but chose not to go to

the authorities despite believing the allegations were true.

 

Archbishop Wilson, now the most senior Catholic cleric in the world to be found

guilty of failing to report child sexual abuse to police, faces the maximum of two

years in jail when he is sentenced on June 19.

 

https://www.smh.com....522-p4zgpc.html

 

 

Next up - Cardinal Pell

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A day late and a dollar short.  Still, it's a start.


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The symbolic meaning of this is possibly more important than punishing this one clergocreep. This serves notice to HRCC that they can no longer rely on bullshitting their way out of being held responsible for their crimes.

 

In all fairness most Jesus industry professionals do not rape children or shelter pedophiles.

 

Of course it is still good to see an HRCC official/rape enabler go to jail for a change.


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The symbolic meaning of this is possibly more important than punishing this one clergocreep. This serves notice to HRCC that they can no longer rely on bullshitting their way out of being held responsible for their crimes.

 

In all fairness most Jesus industry professionals do not rape children or shelter pedophiles.

 

Of course it is still good to see an HRCC official/rape enabler go to jail for a change.

 

What happens next?  Does he become a prison chaplain?  Or someone's wife?


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He still thinks he's kicking goals. In this letter to the faithful he explains that he is still organizing the affairs

of the Archdiocese and signs off as Most Rev Philip Wilson DD JCL - Archbishop of Adelaide. I suppose

he thinks that sounds better than "Prisoner #507326 in Her Majesty's Prison"

 

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http://www.news.com....6b93424b0388a73


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Is that highest ranking clergy?  Or most rank?  Rankest?  

 

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Edited by jonathanlobl, 24 May 2018 - 12:41 AM.

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What happens next?  Does he become a prison chaplain?  Or someone's wife?

 

I really don't care what happens to him now.  I just hope he is able to live out the rest of his life in absolute misery of some kind.

 

The important work of exposing the evil of HRCC and his own personal evil deeds is done. It is reasonable to expect this will hurt the cash flow for HRCC in Australia - a good result.


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I really don't care what happens to him now.  I just hope he is able to live out the rest of his life in absolute misery of some kind.

 

The important work of exposing the evil of HRCC and his own personal evil deeds is done. It is reasonable to expect this will hurt the cash flow for HRCC in Australia - a good result.

 

I fear that you are engaged in wishful thinking.  The cash flow will not stop or even slow down.  There will be a call for "healing".  Contributions could go up.


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What happens next?  Does he become a prison chaplain?  Or someone's wife?

 

I’m sure there’s a market for both in prison.


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I’m sure there’s a market for both in prison.

 

A real archbishop?  He's going to be a hot specialty fetish item.  


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He got 12 months.

 

BUT...

 

The judge thinks jail might be a bit too harsh so he is considering home detention.

 

Until that decision is made, Wilson is back in church preaching morality to the flock.


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Church historian, Paul Collins, is downplaying the story as quickly as he can.

 

Wilson may be an archbishop says Collins, but, "He's not particularly senior in terms of the pecking order of the Catholic Church, but certainly as an archbishop and the Archbishop of Adelaide, that makes him the most senior person ever convicted. There's no two ways about that — although with due respect to Adelaide — Adelaide is not seen as necessarily a particularly prestigious diocese."

 

Collins is also pushing the idea that even though Collins was convicted on charges concerning child abuse, nevertheless,

 

During his time as the Bishop of Wollongong, Wilson earned the nickname "The Healing Bishop"

for his work with victims of child sexual abuse. "He was very effective as Bishop of Wollongong,"

Mr Collins said.

 

http://www.abc.net.a...-wilson/9883638


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He got 12 months.

 

BUT...

 

The judge thinks jail might be a bit too harsh so he is considering home detention.

 

Until that decision is made, Wilson is back in church preaching morality to the flock.

 

Home detention?  The arch bishop's home?  What kind of hovel are we talking about?

 

None of us have that kind of home.


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Church historian, Paul Collins, is downplaying the story as quickly as he can.

 

Wilson may be an archbishop says Collins, but, "He's not particularly senior in terms of the pecking order of the Catholic Church, but certainly as an archbishop and the Archbishop of Adelaide, that makes him the most senior person ever convicted. There's no two ways about that — although with due respect to Adelaide — Adelaide is not seen as necessarily a particularly prestigious diocese."

 

Collins is also pushing the idea that even though Collins was convicted on charges concerning child abuse, nevertheless,

 

During his time as the Bishop of Wollongong, Wilson earned the nickname "The Healing Bishop"

for his work with victims of child sexual abuse. "He was very effective as Bishop of Wollongong,"

Mr Collins said.

 

http://www.abc.net.a...-wilson/9883638

 

The healing bishop?  I think I'm actually losing piety.


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The healing bishop?  I think I'm actually losing piety.

 

Let us not be too silly.  You have not got much piety to lose, we like that about you.


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Let us not be too silly.  You have not got much piety to lose, we like that about you.

 

That's my point.  I didn't think my opinion of religion could get any worse.  I was mistaken.  To my astonishment, my contempt for the Church is actually growing.  


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That's my point.  I didn't think my opinion of religion could get any worse.  I was mistaken.  To my astonishment, my contempt for the Church is actually growing.  

 

 

If you think Paul Collins' revisionism is bad, check out the Catholic rewriting of history with regards to the Inquisition: In July 2014 I saved the following snippets from an article published in "Catholic Answers" magazine. Unfortunately the link is broken and I can no longer find the story on the Internet. The article was titled, How Can I Defend The Church Against The Inquisition ? This is the answer from 'Catholic Answers Staff'.

 

Point out that the Inquisition was intended not to convert people, but to find

people who were outwardly claiming to be Christian but secretly practiced

another religion ... The inquisition was thus an attempt to protect the purity

of the Christian community.

[...]

Also point out that the Protestants had a counter-inquisition that killed Catholics ...

In addition, Protestants were the big witch-burners. Witch burning never caught on

in Catholic countries.

[...]

When the Spanish Inquisition examined the cases of reported witches, it almost

invariably concluded that the charges were false and the accused were not guilty.

But tens of thousands of supposed witches were burned at the stake, hanged, or

drowned in Protestant countries, including the American colonies.


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If you think Paul Collins' revisionism is bad, check out the Catholic rewriting of history with regards to the Inquisition: In July 2014 I saved the following snippets from an article published in "Catholic Answers" magazine. Unfortunately the link is broken and I can no longer find the story on the Internet. The article was titled, How Can I Defend The Church Against The Inquisition ? This is the answer from 'Catholic Answers Staff'.

 

Point out that the Inquisition was intended not to convert people, but to find

people who were outwardly claiming to be Christian but secretly practiced

another religion ... The inquisition was thus an attempt to protect the purity

of the Christian community.

[...]

Also point out that the Protestants had a counter-inquisition that killed Catholics ...

In addition, Protestants were the big witch-burners. Witch burning never caught on

in Catholic countries.

[...]

When the Spanish Inquisition examined the cases of reported witches, it almost

invariably concluded that the charges were false and the accused were not guilty.

But tens of thousands of supposed witches were burned at the stake, hanged, or

drowned in Protestant countries, including the American colonies.

 

 

Even for the Church, this is a poisonous understanding of history.  In 1492, the Jews of Spain were given a choice.  They could become Catholics or they could leave Spain.  So many Jews took the Church up on their gracious invitation, that the Church became suspicious of the sincerity of the new converts.  That's where the Inquisition came from.

 

Now they say the Inquisition wasn't meant to convert people?  This is true.  It was policing the people who had already converted, under coercion.  


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Also point out that the Protestants had a counter-inquisition that killed Catholics ...

In addition, Protestants were the big witch-burners. Witch burning never caught on

in Catholic countries.

[...]

 

Whataboutism.

 

Wikipedia


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