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Science As Viewed by the Republican Party


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Perfect.


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So true and so sad.


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Fifteen pages of Sam  Sydney Harris science cartoons here:

http://www.scienceca.../math/index.php

 

My favourite is #2 on page one.

 

 

 

Edit:

As Ricky points out in the next post - the cartoonist is Sydney Harris, not Sam Harris.


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Fifteen pages of Sam Harris science cartoons here:

 

*Sydney Harris


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Their entire ideology is predicated on science denial.  They also have creationists and anti-vaxxers, frequently in high level positions of power.  Mike Pence and Ben Carson are examples of creationists that come readily to mind.  Yet the sheer ignorance of science doesn't even end there, especially if you pay attention to the narrative and memes from the Alt-Right.

 

One key component of their belief structure is that of the Alpha Male, the idea that humans are organized into a pack hierarchy like wolves, and that there are the dominant or Alpha types, and the submissive or Beta types.  Yet this idea is based on a flawed study by Rudolph Schenkel from 1947 that limited its observations to wolves living in captivity.  The problem with captive animals is that they have no room to spread out and expand their territory, therefore conflicts are going to break out over limited resources, and these can turn violent at times.  This is not the natural behavior of wolves.  In the wild, the younger members of the pack would branch off and form their own packs.  Even among animal species considered vicious or dangerous, violent disputes are avoided whenever possible, because no individual wants to get injured or killed if they can help it.  In reality, what we think of as a "wolf pack" is actually just a family, with the biological parents as the head of the family, and their offspring as followers.

 

Right wingers assert that someone like Donald Trump is an Alpha Male because they are trapped in the authoritarian mindset, always looking for a strong figure to be obeyed, which says more about them than it does about anyone else.  Trump isn't even an Alpha according to their own ideological framing, as he licks the boots of the Republican establishment, and is subservient to foreign leaders like Muhammad Bin Salman and Benjamin Netenyahu.  Trump will do anything to get Wall Street cash, just like his predecessors, and he desperately wants to be as loved by the establishment as Hillary Clinton.

 

Take it from a wolf, there's no such thing as an Alpha Male.

 

Another topic where the Alt-Right shows their sheer ignorance of science is in their belief that soybeans contain estrogen mimics and cause infertility, and they frequently use "soyboy" as a pejorative against the left.  This belief too is based on flawed studies, which should come as no surprise.  For starters, China is the leading consumer of soybeans in the world; notice how severely underpopulated they are?  Secondly, meat products contain far more estrogen than soybeans because you're consuming the animal tissue directly.  Third, if you live in the USA, soybeans are for the most part unavoidable, and make up 10% of the American diet on average due to ingredients like oils.

 

Besides, soybeans are one of the most heavily subsidized crops in the US, and when Trump put tariffs on China, the soybean farmers in this country needed to be bailed out.  Currently, there are massive shipments of soybeans that are just sitting there rotting.  Many of these farmers voted for Trump, since they live in states he won.

 

 

As for Republican climate deniers, they won't listen to science, but you can easily back them into a corner by pointing this out.  In 2009, Trump was cosignatory of a one-page letter in the NY Times urging Obama to take action on climate change.  In 2005, George W. Bush stated in an interview that anthropogenic global warming is real, and said we should do something about it.  You can look these up yourself.  This shows that Republican leaders know for a fact that climate change is real and that humans are causing it, yet will never publicly admit it, and are too concerned with short term profits to do anything about it.


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Being two -- or more -- faced gets to be a bad habit.  

 

Trump criticizing Obama for playing to much golf -- then playing more golf in three months than Obama played in three years.

 

Trump -- the primary force behind the birther movement -- whining about being treated unfairly.  

 

How many faces does Senator Mitch McConell have?  On everything.


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I was about to start another topic on this, when I realized there's already a thread on climate change.  So I wanted to pose the question.

 

What are the dumbest arguments you've heard from climate deniers?

 

One that frequently comes up is that carbon dioxide is good for the environment because it's a plant food, or it's causing a greening of the Earth.  Republicans cherry pick a single fact that's convenient to suit their existing conclusions, and ignore all the other evidence that contradicts their beliefs.  It doesn't matter that the data comes from the same sources and the study methodology is the same.  There has in fact been a 30% increase in overall plant growth due to the higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, but that alone doesn't tell the whole story.  Plant growth is a complicated process, and it's a gross oversimplification to say that more CO2 is good for the environment across the board.

 

For starters, the more extreme weather events resulting from climate change like droughts, heat waves, and floods are not good for plants; and neither are rising sea levels or ocean acidification.  We've already passed the point where rising global temperatures have started negating the benefits to plant growth from increased CO2 levels.

 

CO2 isn't just absorbed by plants, it's part of their respiration cycle.  At night, much of it gets released back into the air.  You can't just flood plants with it and expect good results.  At higher concentrations, the rate of absorption slows down, and this is why climate scientists warn that simply planting more trees and growing more crops isn't going to offset CO2 emissions from burning fossil fuels.  We have to stop producing so much of it to begin with.

 

Too much of a good thing is not a good thing.  Plants need water to grow, but a flood will still kill them.  Plants need sunlight, but prolonged excessive sun exposure will cook them.  Fertilizer can help plants grow, but add too much to the soil and you'll burn out their roots.  The same goes for CO2 as it helps plants grow faster up to a certain point, but higher concentrations lead to diminishing returns.  When it comes to crop plants, the accelerated growth rate results in crops that are higher in sugars but lower in other nutrients.  This is a trend that has been observed in food production over several decades.  You'll get higher yields, but it's worth less, and bad for the environment.  It's analogous to how factory farms are designed to force livestock to grow faster than they're meant to, which increases yields, but causes a lot of environmental damage.

 

Just because something is "good for plants" does not make it inherently beneficial to the environment, or to human health.  Excrement is good for plants.  That doesn't mean we should deregulate its disposal and start spraying tons of it into the air.  That doesn't mean we should purposely produce vast quantities of it.  That doesn't mean it's a good idea to flood plants with it, expecting them to grow.

 

In other words, this is not good for the environment:

 

ewg_id_7-81_wide-f1ca7687ba728a0100edc74

 

Yes, that's exactly what it looks like, and that's what happens when it floods after a storm.


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In my opinion, the most stupid argument, is to take a cold day, in Winter, as proof the Earth is not warming.

 

There is a difference between weather and climate.  


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Yet this blatantly obvious lie excites our corporatist Congress, it's funny, and it is an assault on facts, very holy.


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Yet this blatantly obvious lie excites our corporatist Congress, it's funny, and it is an assault on facts, very holy.

 

 

In the end, no matter what people believe, or claim to believe, reality prevails.  Reality is an invincible rising tide.  Like sea level.  Like increasingly sever storms and hurricanes.

 

Florida will have to be abandoned, long before it's actually under water, like Atlantis.

 

Louisiana is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

New York City -- areas of New Jersey -- will have to be abandoned.  New York City is still fixing the subway tunnels after Super Storm Sandy.  New Jersey Transit trains are dependent on two aging tunnels.  Both damaged by the same storm.  There will be more storms.  They will be worse.

 

Fire season for the West Coast is getting worse and longer.  Remember California burning?  It will get worse.

 

Remember the tornadoes that tore through Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas?  It will get worse.

 

The growing season will change.

 

Reality will prevail.  Reality will not be cheated.


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Louisiana is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

You mean “another” disaster waiting to happen, don’t you?

 

New York City -- areas of New Jersey -- will have to be abandoned.

 

Parts of New Jersey have already been abandoned.


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You mean “another” disaster waiting to happen, don’t you?

 

 

Parts of New Jersey have already been abandoned.

 

 

The disaster that is the New Jersey coast line, is only going to get worse.

 

Lower Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn were devastated by Super-storm Sandy.  It will happen again, but worse.

 

Louisiana was devastated by Katrina.  The waters rose higher than the dikes.  Since then, the dikes were made higher.  What will happen when the dikes break?  Hope you're not there.

 

Florida is going to drown like Atlantis.  Long before that, the new hurricanes will make the land uninhabitable.  Look at Florida on a map.  It's this pathetic stretch of land, extending into the Atlantic.  It has no future.

 

I feel like an Old Testament prophet.  One more disaster.  Not really climate change -- but coming.

 

California:  "The Big One."   California might not have "The Big One" for years to come.  Or, it could happen today.  Sooner or later.  People will be surprised.


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