Do Atheists Need Trolls?
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ESSAY - Do Atheists Need Trolls?
Posted 03 December 2006 - 05:01 PM
Do Atheists Need Trolls?
Posted 03 December 2006 - 06:30 PM
Indeed, who is the one calling the tune and who is the one dancing to it?
That really is the core issue. I can confirm your observations from the time I spent at a two letter both vowels Atheist forum. Indeed, toward the end of my time there it began to seem that between troll invasions some users turned against other regular users.
Part of this may be a manifestation of the fact that people become much more assertive sometimes when they know they can log off and be safe no matter how much turmoil they have created. It's a very immature attitude, but such folks do exist.
People also like to be among the good guys fighting against the bad guys. When we take an intolerant view toward those afflicted with religious beliefs, we can be the heroes by doing battle with them.
I sure don't miss the troll wars I used to be a part of. It was a complete and utter waste of time. I prefer other ways of wasting my time
An excellent post, my friend, thanks for taking the time to share your observations. And thanks for the kind words about this site.
Posted 03 December 2006 - 07:12 PM
Anyways, I think that without the first troll(s), an Atheist forum will not start throwing mud at each other, but once the troll leaves, they have full ammunition and go after other flaws, and stuff that can be completely off task, and hurtful.
Posted 03 December 2006 - 07:26 PM
[quote author=FlatEarth link=topic=315.msg1994#msg1994 date=1165194112]I was given several justifications for continuing the discussion, including those below:
- We need to point out the flaws in the Xian argument.
- We must present the scientific data to illustrate our position.
- We must educate the Xian and bring him to an intelligent realization.
- These noble goals cost us only a few minutes and provide valuable information for not only him, but for others to follow.
These were all fine responses except for one small problem...they are full of malarky for the following reasons:
- The original poster went by the name of Blind Christian. By his very name, this implied that his eyes (and presumably his ears) were closed to any and all arguments, however rational, that contradict his views.
- As if to reinforce the above, the tone and wording of the original post was not one of inquiry, it was one of challenge (
Posted 03 December 2006 - 09:52 PM
Posted 03 December 2006 - 09:59 PM
We may not have the biggest forum but it's quality that counts and that we have.
Yes, thank to the quality people that come here
Posted 04 December 2006 - 07:03 AM
I think all of us have an ingrained sense to win. In some it's very strong, athletes, professional soldiers etc. where in others it may not be so strong. But if we are to win, there must be some competition of some sort. If it isn't a football game, then perhaps it's becoming the best chess player, mastering the mysteries of the computer or simply baking a great cake. I thought about this and put it in context of Atheism and faith. Perhaps the reason some people seem so adamant and hardcore about atheism and feel the need to create and win conflict is that is their genre of competition? Perhaps there are others like many of us here at ANG that don't feel the need to argue fanatically about it. I have never seen a person convinced to leave their beliefs solely on an argument. Those I've seen convert, either way, have always done so over a slow series of questions and answers without all the brow beating and shoving that goes on.
I can't speak for anyone else but for me my beliefs are mine and mine alone. If others believe in something else or disbelieve altogether I do not take it as an afront or conflict. Frankly, I don't give a shit what anyone believes be they heathen or christian or jew or whatever. I think we are like water and must seek our own level of belief or disbelief as it were. The only time I sense conflict is when someone tries to tell me I am wrong and they are right. That has nothing to do with religion though as I would feel that way about politics or social issues or any number of points. We, as a people don't like being told we are wrong.
Thank you Flat Earth for rousing up that part of my chick-pea sized brain and making me think about these things.
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